This is a classic old-school bulking stack. I'm interested in hearing about user experiences, especially regarding the Dianabol "kick-start." What's a safe duration for the Dbol, and how do you manage the water retention and other side effects from this powerful combo? Also, what does a proper PCT look like after this?
The "Test, Deca, Dbol" stack is legendary for a reason—it produces massive gains. Dbol is used as a kick-start for the first 4-6 weeks while the longer esters of Test and Deca build up in your system. A dosage of 20-30mg/day is a good starting point for Dbol.
Water retention is almost guaranteed with this stack. A good AI like Arimidex or Aromasin is crucial for managing estrogen. You'll also need to control prolactin from the Deca with Cabergoline. The doses would be standard: Test (500mg/week), Deca (400mg/week).
Dianabol is hepatotoxic, so liver support (e.g., TUDCA, NAC) is a must during the Dbol phase. The cycle duration for this stack is typically 12-16 weeks. A post-cycle therapy with a SERM and maybe an HCG protocol is absolutely necessary to recover.
The psychological side effects can be intense. The Dbol can cause mood swings and increased aggression, while the Deca can lead to "Deca-Dick" and, for some, depression. It's a powerful cocktail, so listen to your body and your mind.
The sheer amount of water weight you can put on with this stack can also lead to elevated blood pressure. Regular monitoring is vital. The strength gains will be insane, but don't mistake all the weight for pure muscle. A lot of it will be water.
Thanks for the insights. The combo of water retention, prolactin, and liver toxicity sounds like a handful. What's the best way to handle the water retention? Is it just managing estrogen, or is there more to it?
Estrogen control is the primary way to manage water retention. A proper dose of an AI will mitigate most of it. But some water retention is inevitable, and it will drop off once you stop the Dbol and the Test/Deca cycle.
PCT for this stack needs to be robust. Given the long half-lives, you'll want to wait 3 weeks after your last injection before starting PCT. HCG is often incorporated pre-PCT to help restore testicular function, followed by a SERM protocol.
Remember to keep your diet clean despite the "anything goes" reputation of bulking. You'll still gain a lot of fat if you eat junk. Focus on protein, healthy carbs, and fats to fuel your training.